Hi guys,
I think I finally have it working!
I haven't seen much communication happening for the research that you should all be doing. Your assignment for this research will be set a week today, so get as much done before then as possible!
Looking back at the research I have previously been sent, I would like you all to discuss the crime scene photos that people have found (from memory, I know that Sam has found and shared a website with some).
Has anyone else found original crime scene photos yet? Please feel free to share and discuss those photos too.
Points for consideration:
I think I finally have it working!
I haven't seen much communication happening for the research that you should all be doing. Your assignment for this research will be set a week today, so get as much done before then as possible!
Looking back at the research I have previously been sent, I would like you all to discuss the crime scene photos that people have found (from memory, I know that Sam has found and shared a website with some).
Has anyone else found original crime scene photos yet? Please feel free to share and discuss those photos too.
Points for consideration:
- Are the photos reliable? How do you know that?
- Are the photos genuine? How do you know that?
- Were the photos taken at the time the crime was committed, or before/after?
- Would these photos be credible evidence if the case was re-tried in court now?
I haven't been able to find any photos from my crime yet other than that of the victim and culprit. However surely those of the crime scene will be reliable if you can see that more than one website has used them.
ReplyDeleteHowever it may be a game of Chinese Whispers, no? One website uses them and then another is that desperate for photos that they use un-validated ones...
DeleteVery true. Sadly i believe I am struggling with finding images for my crime as it is a sensitive topic.
DeleteI was able to find a site for my crime scene photos that appeared to be legit because there was dates that went with the photos and a reference to what crime scene the photos were taken from but I wasn't able to do much on the site because I didn't possess the correct permissions (Another reason I believe it to be a legit site) so I went looking on some more sites but I don't think they are legit because they don't possess any sort of reference to where and when they were taken. Also, like Jaiden, I was able to find photos of the victims and descriptions of how they were killed, where they were killed and what their relationship with the killer was. As well as this I was able to find a small amount of court manuscripts and reports but again I'm not 100% on the reliability.
ReplyDeleteSounds great! Remind me of who your criminal was?
DeleteWhat was the website that you didn't have the correct permissions for?
The only pictures i can find for the James Bulger crime scene are on this Site
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/real-life/the-boys-who-killed-james-bulger-20130208-2e2nd.html
That's a good find. Can you answer the other questions based on those photos?
DeleteThe journalist who wrote the article is not a big crime write, she does more reviews. Also the article was written 20 years later so it is not the most reliable source. I am not sure whether the photos are from the crime scene as there are no dates on them.
Deletethe photos from the James bulger crime scene are not really adequate as they have not been validated and there are no references for them. they would not be sufficient evidence if presented in court. the website itself is not crime related but rather it is more of a news and entertainment site.
Deletehttp://hansard.millbanksystems.com,commons,1994/feb/11/beverly-allitt-report
ReplyDeleteLinky-thing to info about Beverly Allitt
Regards,
Carrie
Great find! How did you get hold of this report? Just googling?
DeleteYeah, just through Google. Sorry about the late reply - the computer at college wouldn't bring up the reply box 😐
DeleteI found some crime scene photos from Ed Geins case on a pinterest website. Although i do not think these photos are reliable and could not be used in court as they are just photos there is no time stamp or other evidence to prove it is from Ed Geins case. I also found some photos that could not be used in court, they are photos of objects that Ed Gein made in a museum years after the murders happened
ReplyDeleteDid you follow the links from pinterest to see what website they were originally posted on?
DeleteHave emailed Nottingham Crown Court to ask for information...
ReplyDeleteGreat! Let us know when you get a response!
DeleteWill do. I've emailed Rampton Hospital! 😊 But they've said they can't give me any info because of confidentiality, which is what I expected, tbh
DeleteI have emailed the Beverly Allitt timeline I have created to Stacey and a couple of others. Please share..
ReplyDeleteThis has been forwarded to everyone.
DeleteThank you
DeleteRegarding photographs - I have found some of Beverly Allitt and put them on my info pages. You could check out when they were published and by whom and which organisation. Check the date of creation. To know whether they were published before or after the crime, you'd have to know the crime date, of course.
ReplyDeleteThe photographs that I’ve shared with the group are reliable and genuine as they’re from a newspaper, while newspapers can be biased, it’s unlikely that any doctored photographs would appear. The photographs were taken after the crime was committed but before the trial and execution of Albert Fish; they were used as evidence during his trial. These photographs are most likely the only remaining evidence from this historical case and as such would feature as main evidence if this case was retried.
ReplyDeleteIve been able to find images based on the crime scene from this website: http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/brady-ian-photos.htm
ReplyDeleteThe images seen somewhat reliable; because they all include genuine images, of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, performing various tasks. All the images can definitively show Brady and Hindley’s faces, so this can rule out the images being reproduced with look a lie actors. All the images are all watermarked, this this could validate its legitimacy because they are trying to stop reproduction. However, reliability could be argued because they are not from a direct website linked with any policing website, this could question the validity.
On this website, there are photos which have been taken both before the crime had been committed and after the crime had been committed. These photos are Brady and Hindley drinking at parties, picnics near woods, mugshots, driven off to the courts, and digs at the crime scenes looking for remains of their victims.
I believe these photos wouldn’t be use in court because they have come from an outside source, and not a genuine police website.
the photos from the website can be classed as reliable as you have mentioned in your comments, but i cannot see them being sufficient evidence on their own to be presented to the court. they would need to be supplemented with other evidence.
DeleteIve been able to find images based on the crime scene from this website: http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/brady-ian-photos.htm
ReplyDeleteThe images seen somewhat reliable; because they all include genuine images, of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, performing various tasks. All the images can definitively show Brady and Hindley’s faces, so this can rule out the images being reproduced with look a lie actors. All the images are all watermarked, this this could validate its legitimacy because they are trying to stop reproduction. However, reliability could be argued because they are not from a direct website linked with any policing website, this could question the validity.
On this website, there are photos which have been taken both before the crime had been committed and after the crime had been committed. These photos are Brady and Hindley drinking at parties, picnics near woods, mugshots, driven off to the courts, and digs at the crime scenes looking for remains of their victims.
I believe these photos wouldn’t be use in court because they have come from an outside source, and not a genuine police website.
The images i have found are mostly to do with Ted Bundy's execution rather than his crimes. He mostly kidnapped his victims to crime scene photos are hard to come by. However there might be pictures of where he left the bodies though I've been unable to find any. The pictures i found at disturbinghorror.com are what looks like to be one of his victims, his infamous car, and himself after execution. These photos look legitimate but it does not clarify when there picture were taken, who they are of, and when they were taken. i also found pictures of Ted Bundy on one of his many trials. These seem genuine as they actually have Ted Bundy in them. One of the photos was teeth marks he left in one of his victims. This photo was used in court to conflict him of murdering Lisa Levy.
ReplyDeletehttp://disturbinghorror.com/Serial-Killers/Crime-Scene/Crime-scene.html
http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b1/bundy-ted-photos-4.htm
http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/west-frederick-house.htm
ReplyDeleteThese are crime scene pictures from Fred and Rosemary West's houses at 25 Cromwell street and 25 Midland Road. The photos, although seeming genuine when compared to others (there are many of the same pictures from different websites) they were found on a website called murderpedia, a non official site, which would suggest it is a blog dedicated to those who enjoy finding out about murders, so although they would probably try to ensure the photos are real to keep their credibility up, they could make mistakes and get crimes confused
I haven't been able to find any photos from the crime scenes as the deaths we not initially considered murders so there aren't any photos of the primary crime scenes. However I have found photos of Harold Shipman which were taken by paparazzi during the trail and therefore I know they are genuine, they wouldn't serve any purpose as evidence if the case was re-tried. I have also found photos of some of the victims which were taken prior to the murders. I know these are genuine as they were submitted to the media and the police by the families of the victims (however it seems only 11 of the victims have had photos released). These images wouldn't be used as evidence in court unless they are used as a means of identifying each victim and even then they would be accompanying evidence such as DNA.
ReplyDeleteI have been looking at the crimes of Jeffrey Dahmer and have found pictures on the following website: http://mobilite.mobi/dahmer-pictures/. the pictures here confirm the identity of Dahmer but only 1 could be used in the court room as the other photos are not reliable enough as some have been modified. also the website is not a crime related information database, rather it is more to do with entertainment. the pictures would definatley need to be supplemented with further evidence such as fingerprints, etc, if the case was to be re-tried
ReplyDeleteThe second website that i found is http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c4_1312242741. this website contains some graphic images not suitable for persons under the age of 18. however the photos are very compelling and could be used in the court room if the case was re-tried. the photos are of Jeffrey dahmer, his victims and also the pictures of the victims after he had murdered them. The pictures seem to be legitimate and may have been obtained from the crime database website. the photos themselves were most likely taken after the crime had taken place, as the photos that are taken show the victims being dead and dismembered.
DeleteAt the age of 15, Aileen Wuornos gave birth to a son, which she claimed was a result of being raped. she was forced to give him up as she was not fit to look after her child. to contrast against all her claims of an abusive childhood, her older brother Barry Wuornos testified against her, telling the court that she was never actually abused as a child.
ReplyDeleteThe only crime scene photo I was able to find was pone apparently of a gun that Wuornos used, however there is no solid evidence to back up that the photo is genuine.
ReplyDeletei have found some crime scene photos but cannot say if they are reliable or not
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